Run your car on water - legit or scam?
I ran across this web site, Water 4 Gas. The first thing I thought was scam scam scam scamity scam. So, of course, I wanted more information. First, you have to remember that NET stands for Not Entirely True, so don't believe everything you read on the sites you get when you search for more information. Here are my findings:
Not much useful. Everything I found in my Google searches were from people selling the product. One page was from a blogger, like me, who wanted to know more. However, it looks like all he did was read the pages from the people selling the product and decide that it was a good thing. That is not what I was looking for. I was some solid research showing me that the thing works or doesn't. When I searched for "run car on water kits scam" I got mostly sellers trying to boost their sales by cashing in on the sceptics looking for real answers.
I also found several groups where someone would say "Is this a scam or not" and then they would discuss and a bunch of people would say that it is a scam and some would say "I don't know, it could be real." I am trying to remain objective and want real research.
I next turned to the trusty old library. Every library I've ever belonged to allows its members to search journals and databases as well as book. I searched the journals. These products run on something called Brown's Gas, so I searched for that. Google's Patent Search came up in the results with a patent related to the technology. A patent just says "we own this, you can't make it." There is no research that says that it actually works. That comes later.
Next I ran across an article called "Investigating Brown's gas, a tiny TV generator, and more." by Don Lancaster (Electronics Now; Feb98, Vol. 69 Issue 2, p22). One section of the article was on Brown's Gas use in torches. In that article I learned that Brown's Gas does exist. It can be created by electrolosys and that, as they claim, you can breifly place your hand in front of the flame without burning yourself. He does caution against actually doing this though, and I second that caution.
The sellers of this technology claim that they can melt tungstun with it. This claim seems to be bogus. They also claim that it changes temperature based on the melting point of the product it touches. This seems to be based on bad science. I don't fully understand the science, so I will leave the discussion of this to others who do.
Hydrogen Fuel Cells
are on their way. Many are asking for it. Bush signed the Hydrogen Fuel Initiative in 2003. You can buy the
Fuel Cell X7 Hydrogen Car Design Project Kit
and make your own model hydrogen car. This does not mean that the claims that you can add a simple tank of water to your car fuel system and get better milage are true. Many of their claims are faulty, so I say it is most likely a scam. If you want to give it a try and let me know what you find out, feel free.
I might waste my money on one just to see what it is. I'd first need someone who knows more about internal cumbustion engines than just "the gas goes here" type knowledge that I have. Living in Oregon, I don't even really have to know how to pump gas. I'm not allowed to pump my own.













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just what we need
Much Confusion Over HHO Generators
Free Plans
Time to exhale
Re: Time to Exhale
I get SO tired ofthe nay sayers who "know all the answers" when, in fact, they don't even know the question.
Sit Down - Shut Up - Read!!
Here is a synopsis of a sampling of the research that has been done:
Because these articles are typically privy to only the scientific community, the general public does not read them or see them on the news. Justification of technological viability must come from mainstream authorities!
It would be nice if CNN would do an Documentary about these articles!! They all are about the concept of
more thoughts on the
more thoughts on the subject:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2800/can-you-really-get-better-gas-mileage-using-your-alternator-to-make-browns-gas
scam scam scamity scam scam
Yes, there's plenty of proof that injecting hydrogen into the combustion chamber improves efficiency. The question is "where does that hydrogen come from?" or more specifically "how much energy does it cost to generate and deliver that hydrogen?"
Think about it: If this was really such a great idea, why is the only place to find out about it at these websites? Don't you think you'd be able to find something at your local auto parts store? Or shops that would do this conversion?
Don't believe me? Here's a reputable newspaper's analysis: http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/ci_9492661
Result: Scam!
Holding my breath, while I'm hoping
I'm in the same boat you are. It's hard to find a blog or site that doesn't have a subjective spin on the topic. Most of the DIY sites for the hydrogen conversion have the same two or three videos from youtube that talk about the conversion. I have seen one site that offers a little more pricey alternative, but doesn't really instill much more confidence. I'm currently e-mailing the people running the site trying to get more info. Good luck finding out whether it's the real deal. Here are a couple of the sites I've seen... http://www.fuelitcheap.com/index.php http://www.yourmileagesolution.com/ http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=tounano http://www.auto-facts.org/water4gas-scam.html
The last site is a .org site... does this mean anything in particular, or is it a public site that someone can buy like any other?
Thanks for the additional
Thanks for the additional info!
As for the .org, those "1st level domain" names used to mean something. .com was commercial, .org, organization, and .net, network. If you were a commercial venue, you were supposed to use .com. That is no longer the case. Anyone can buy any of those names for any reason and use them as they like.
There are still some the have meaning, such as .gov for government sites, .us for more government stuff, and .edu for educational.
Hope to see you around more!
Jason
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